Posts by Nate Merit

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More On The 'Historical-Grammatical' Method

by Nate Merit in

although protestants, evangelicals and fundamentalists use and defend the historical-grammatical method of bible interpretation, they need to realize it has a fundamental (pun intended) flaw.

matthew 1:22,23 and isaiah 7:14. .

matthew 2:15 and hosea 11:1. .

Nate Merit

Rex wrote:

"The prophets fulfilled a specific purpose in scripture. Prophecy often has immediate and secondary fulfillments that are revealed in later scripture. This is why the Bible is called a progressive revelation. The apostles were revelators and thus, speaking through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit they applied previous prophecy to the events of Jesus' day. The scriptural record is complete. There are no more revelators. There are only orthodox and heretics."

All of this is simply your assertions. Thats what fundiots such as yourself do. Make assertions without any evidence.

You assert the prophets fulfilled a specific purpose in scripture. Demonstrate this to me Rex, dont simply assert. Do as I do and back up your claims.

You assert that 'prophecy' often has an immediate and secondary fulfillment. First, Rex, demonstrate that prophecy even exists. Demonstrate that the so-called propheices in the Bible were not actually written after the fact OR that the "Life of Christ" was not simply concocted around the odd bits and pieces of the OT. You cannot demonstrate this, no one can. You lack even knowledge of basic logic. All you can do is make assertions, not provide evidence to back up your empty assertions.

Demonstrate the actual existence of 'progressive revelation." You cannot.

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More On The 'Historical-Grammatical' Method

by Nate Merit in

although protestants, evangelicals and fundamentalists use and defend the historical-grammatical method of bible interpretation, they need to realize it has a fundamental (pun intended) flaw.

matthew 1:22,23 and isaiah 7:14. .

matthew 2:15 and hosea 11:1. .

Nate Merit

Rex wrote:

"The prophets fulfilled a specific purpose in scripture. Prophecy often has immediate and secondary fulfillments that are revealed in later scripture. This is why the Bible is called a progressive revelation. The apostles were revelators and thus, speaking through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit they applied previous prophecy to the events of Jesus' day. The scriptural record is complete. There are no more revelators. There are only orthodox and heretics."

All of this is simply your assertions. Thats what fundiots such as yourself do. Make assertions without any evidence.

You assert the prophets fulfilled a specific purpose in scripture. Demonstrate this to me Rex, dont simply assert. Do as I do and back up your claims.

You assert that 'prophecy' often has an immediate and secondary fulfillment. First, Rex, demonstrate that prophecy even exists. Demonstrate that the so-called propheices in the Bible were not actually written after the fact OR that the "Life of Christ" was not simply concocted around the odd bits and pieces of the OT. You cannot demonstrate this, no one can. You lack even knowledge of basic logic. All you can do is make assertions, not provide evidence to back up your empty assertions.

Demonstrate the actual existence of 'progressive revelation." You cannot.

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Rex "The Shining One' Responds At Last

by Nate Merit in

i am championing the method of interpretation used by the nt writers.

the common folks took them literally.

you can easily rectify your situation by making up your mind to "study to show thyself approved unto god, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Nate Merit

Your cowardice isnt going to save you from public humilation Rex. Being a coward and responding to my posts only after they have dropped many pages from the front only gets you more humiliation.

I will post your silliness tomorrow with my response and then humiliate you further. I will continue to humilate you because now I enjoy it.

See you tomorrow Rex.

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If 'Intelligent Design" Is True, Why So Many Lies?

by Nate Merit in

if true why so many lies ?

the following is a snippet from a new york times article on the closing arguments in the intelligent design trial.

closing arguments made in trial on intelligent design .

Nate Merit

Stop waiting, like a coward, until my posts are gone from the main page before you reply. Be a man Rex. Be a sining one. M'k?

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If 'Intelligent Design" Is True, Why So Many Lies?

by Nate Merit in

if true why so many lies ?

the following is a snippet from a new york times article on the closing arguments in the intelligent design trial.

closing arguments made in trial on intelligent design .

Nate Merit

Hi Nate,
>If True Why So Many Lies ?

If intelligent design is true then it is true regarless of the motives of some of the adherents. If it is true it will be shown by the scientific evidence and not by the attitudes of those who support or oppose it. Your post is an exercise in genetic fallacy.

Rex

Rex, once again that Great Brain of yours failed you. The point of my ORIGINAL post was about LYING. "Lying for the truth." Do you remember that Rex? As JW's we lied for the truth, just as fundiots such as yourself do. The ID folks LIED and said their motives were not religious. I wasn't arguing the truth or falsity of ID in my original post. I merely pointed out their lies and asked, in effect, if these people have the truth why do they have to lie for the truth? Do the ends justify the means? That seems, in my experience with fundiots such as yourself, to be the case.

Rex, I am a truthful man. I love facts, truth, reality. So I need to be truthful with you and tell you I dislike you intensely and hold you and your ilk in complete and utter contempt. I come by my attitudes via actual real-life experience with fundiots such as yourself. Fundiots are the worst people I have ever known. Lying, back-stabbing, hypocritical two-faced SOBs. You know why Rex? Because you think your actions don't matter. Fundiots such as yourself believe you can be the biggest A-holes in the universe but God pays it no mind because you're holding a cardboard cut-out of Jesus in front of yourself and so God sees 'Jesus' and not you and your actions. (Thats a quickie illustration of the doctrine of Justification by Faith)

Fundiots are ignorant, full of nothing but delusions and nonsense, yet seek to be taken seriously by intelligent educated people. It doesn't work that way Rex. You have to become educated for educated people to take you seriously. You have to fiill that brain of yours with something other than fundiot lies, half-truths, misrepresentations, and false information borne of ignorance...which is itself borne of a lazy arrogance.

I tell the truth unless I'm pulling a joke on someone. When I dont know something I say so. I don't pontificate about matters I'm ignorant of. I don't walk around thinking I have God or Jesus in my hip pocket. You are the opposite. You only tell the truth when you can't find a convenient lie. You pontificate and argue about things you are absurdly ignorant of. You walk around thinking you have God in your hip pocket (thats a figure of speech Rexie, not a literalism).

You learn a few stock phrases such as "genetic fallacy" and wait until you see an oportunity to jump in and use it. You think it makes you look intelligent, witty, and sharp. It simply makes you look pathetic because you don't even know how to properly use the sad little bag of tricks you have.

Fundiots only read materials that support their fundiot views. You have NEVER read a book by evolutionists that destroy your ID arguments (which is just a sneaky new term for 'scientific creationism" an oxymoron if there ever was one). You never will read such a book because you are a fundiot, and as a fundiot you are unconcerned with facts, truth, reality. You already have The Answers by quoting Bible verses, so you think. Your mind is made up and you're not about to be confused by the facts. Fundiots yammer about 'science' yet they dont even understand the scientific method. Perhaps thats because you believe that finding facts is a matter of looking it up in the Bible, not via research.

Go away Rex and have a circle-jerk with your fellow fundiot fools.

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Your Favourite Watchtower Lie

by saved in

jw
friends

what is your favourite watchtower lie?

Nate Merit

Hey TS

Man, thats a toughie! So many to choose from. It's a tossup between their claim to be God's Mouthpiece (but not inspired or infallible!), and the 1914 nonsense.

You know, someone here could make some serious money if they came up with a board game for x-jw's. A trivia game, perhaps, modeled after Trivial Pursuit.

Always thinkin'
Nate

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Anyone here into weightlifting/bodybuilding?

by orbison11 in

jw
friends

i have inherited a newer universal gym, so i guess the muscle gods are telling me to get my butt back where it use to be") .

i have done some searching here (to no avail) for sites on pics, programs for female bodybuilding...any here into this sport and have sites i could go to for pics, etc on exercises i can do on this machine?

orbi

Nate Merit

Confession, absolutely. HIT is the creme de la creme. Good advice. If you have some pics, post them here.

Nate

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Anyone here into weightlifting/bodybuilding?

by orbison11 in

jw
friends

i have inherited a newer universal gym, so i guess the muscle gods are telling me to get my butt back where it use to be") .

i have done some searching here (to no avail) for sites on pics, programs for female bodybuilding...any here into this sport and have sites i could go to for pics, etc on exercises i can do on this machine?

orbi

Nate Merit

Hi orbison

I have trained several women in powerlifting. but not bodybuilding.

So, I really can't help you unless you wish to powerlift. Powerlifting I know, bodybuilding I don't.

If you can't find a trainer there are plenty of excellent books out there. Go to Google, type in female bodybuilding champions then go to their sites and have a look at the books they are selling. Thay all sell training manuals. Pick the manual of the gal who looks best to you.

Nate

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ONCE MORE for STEV and others who espouse historical-grammatical method

by Nate Merit in

use that brain of yours stev.

they didnt interpret the bible that way stev.

"i think those are good questions to ask no matter what book is being read.".

Nate Merit

Listen kid, I was being oppressed by the WTBTS before you were even pooping your pants, so cork it. If you are going to post to me, do so in an intelligent manner. In this ridiculous 'response' of yours you have IGNORED EVERYTHING I wrote! You know why you ignore everything I said? Because you have no answer. Fundiots have no answers to intelligent questions, objections, obervations, facts. I will not engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man. Like I said Stev, get an education then come back and bother me.

My initial response to you already contains my answer to all of the drabble you're spouting below. Goodbye boy. If you decide to deal in an intelligent way, point by point, with my initial response to you, let me know via PM. Until then, 'go away kid ya bother me.' -w.c. fields

IP: hfg5o73uKlCxnHgY

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Defeating the Atheist/Agnostics (an evolving post)

by JasonSea in

jw
friends

i am new here and i have a special gift for you that i have been developing through heated debated with atheist/agnostics in a number of forums of this nature.

i feel i am supposed to share this special gift primarily with jehovahs witnesses for, through my prayers, i have been extremely inspired by you.. before i enter the post i would like to experiment and get to know how this forum works.

special edit: okay, i'm getting the hang of this very different format than i am used to.

Nate Merit

INTRODUCTION:

What is an 'atheist scientific"? Is that even English?

I dont demand that you prove anything. I would prefer that you simply went away.

Science is not a belief young man. It's a methodology, a means of approaching the material world to disocver how it works and to thereby harness and control it. Such as in healing diseases.. It's oposites are magic, miracle, superatition, faith, tradition, faith-healing. Which famous atheist are you referring to?

Oh goody! I love concentated BS.

Beware of geeks bearing gifts.

Yeah, them dang-gummed ay-thee-ists and there sneaky book-larnin and sech! Lets get us up a mob o' bible wavin screwballs and lynch us a ATHEIST! Hyuck hyuck. Boy, you shore no yore stuff. Aint it jus orful how an eddicated pursun kin knok yo fanny upside yo head an giv ya an extree par a shoulders? Them eddicated idjits needs to study they king james vergin an get sum REEL book larnin!

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Similarly, it is an accepted truism that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. God is about the most extraordinary claim there is...

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OOO! REALITY BY CONSENSUS! I like it! It has a certain 'catholic' flair to it! Ah ugrees wif u boah. If'n everbuddy an his retard brutha n mutha blives the wurld iz FLAT, den de wurld iz FLAT an dats dat! oar iffn they blieves da sun n starz moves roun de urf, dats de troof! Oar ifn thay blives da urf dont mov none, dats be troof! Yessir, we don need no sigh-unce to straiten us out. No SUH! Da major itty ob de wurld once belived dem verri tings, buts it tuk science ta gets two da troof BOAH!

I'm not of the scientific community kid, nor am I even an atheist. I am, however, disgusted and fed up with the likes of people such as yourself. Reading your drabble reminds me why I keep fundiots such as yourself out of my life.

Your idiotic argument could be, and was, used against such 'fools' as Galileo who were so stupid as to question the 'majority opinion' of his time on matters scientific. The world had a very beautiful and elegant explanation of crystal spheres within spheres to acount for the motions of the heavenly bodies. Gallielo went an mest it al up wif science.

You and your ilk sicken me. If it were up to you, we'd all be christian versions of muslim nutjobs. If we used your "reality by consensus" model, we would still believe that disease is caused by evil spirits, mental illness is demonic possession, the earth is the center of the universe, the earth is flat and immovable, the sun-moon-stars orbit the earth, the sky is a blue dome over the world and the stars are holes in the dome through which the Light of God shines. Of course, being the knowledgeable person you are, you already know this and have thought it through. I know this because you told us how SPECIAL you are. You're on a "Mission from God" to enlighten us po dum suns o bitches. Ain dat rite? "I was AN-OINTED by de Lawd Hisself an giben dis heah eMission! I is SOOOOO special !

What you are is so ignorant and revolting I dont have the vocabulary to properly sing your praises. I'LL TRY. Your ignorance and delusion is exceeded only by your ignorance and delusion.The point stands. If I claim that giant bunny rabbits are building thermonuclear weapons on a planet in a galaxy trillions of light years away (you have no clue as to what a light year even is), that is an Extraordinary Claim. No one has to 'disprove' my claim because its impossible to disprove. Its up to me to PROVE my extraordinary claim.

You know what? You're here for no other reason than NEGATIVE ATTENTION. You probably have few if any friends, no wife or girlfriends, no kids, a dead-end job, and no life. So, you've retreated into your delusional world where you're not only IMPORTANT but ANOINTED BY GOD HIMSELF for s Special Mission ! How sad for you. I'm not going to play your game and give you the attention you crave. You're a dumkopf and I don't allow dumkopfs into my life, not even on the Net.

Get some counseling, some meds. and a life. Bye bye nutjob.

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But I'm sure you'll just go on demanding that I provide "empirical proof"...

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in atheist doctrine

and a minority one at that!

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Please define faith

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